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- From: allenp@nima.eecs.berkeley.edu (Allen Pouratian)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Date: 5 Apr 1996 08:37:29 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- >: Because it's an overpriced clumsily conceived hack on it's last legs?
- :-)
-
- So Intel, multinational giant, billion dollar company, will just let the
- x86 line DIE OUT. Yes, they will simply pack their bags one day and say:
-
- "We're sorry. We just can't develop binary compatible CPU's to the x86
- line anymore. Someone else will have to take over the market..."
-
- :-)
-
- Intel will keep milking their cash cow *forever*. They will bankroll
- a RISC descendant to the CISC x86 that will have a CISC to RISC on-the-fly
- hardware instruction translator.
-
-
- CISC instruction ----translation--> RISC instructions
-
- >: Because that would mean giving up the price/performance of the PowerPC
- >: chips? Because it would mean giving up the Mac OS and programs? (Which
- >: Amiga users seem fonder of than Windbloze....)
-
- Clones are still cheaper. The market is ten times larger. The PowerPC is a
- nice, fast, cheap chip compared to the Pentium, but no one builds systems
- out of just CPU's. All the other support chips on the motherboard need to
- be considered costwise also.
-
- >: : The Gemulator written for clones (and needing only
- >: : Atari ST ROMS installed on an expansion card) allow a 486DX33 to emulate
- >: : in software an 8Mhz Atari ST at FULL speed. Atari TT speed emulations
- >: : (33 Mhz 68030) are possible with Pentium processors.
- >
- >: Golly gee, that's just incredible. Did I mention Apple's 68K
- >: emulator on a 100Mhz 601 is faster than a 40Mhz 040? By the time the
- >: PowerAmiga surfaces, 'low end' machines could easily be producing 060
- >: emulation speeds.
-
- Gosh golly gee Wally, I though 40Mhz 040 emulation was possible only on the
- top of the line PPC 604!
-
- Besides, you're still thinking about running bloat-o-Mac software. Lots
- of Amiga software was designed to run *well* on an A500. A P5 or a P6
- would be gravy for running emulated Amiga applications, and as soon as
- intensive native applications were recompiled into x86, they too would fly.
- >
- : : Full 680x0 binary compatibiliy. And the work is already done. Why not go
- : : for the LARGEST market?
-
- : Because if all we wanted was the largest market we'd all be using
- : Winbloze already. Following the lowest common denominator isn't something
- : to be proud of, IMO.
-
- That's not all we want. But it's nice to pick up a computer currents for
- FREE and page through it and find a really slick deal on a 486 DX4100
- motherboard for $100. Are you telling me there are NO useful programs
- available for Windows? Forget Windows, do PC's have 90% of the market,
- and yet their owners do nothing *useful* with their machines.
-
- Lowest common denominator? You mean the Mac userbase right? As an Amiga
- community member, I'd sure as heck rather work with the Clone community
- than the Mac community. Hell, there is no port of gcc for the Mac,
- and yet thet Atari community (one 100th the size of the Mac community)
- has managed a port of gcc and is porting Linux as we speak!
-
- The Mac is the only line of computer where it's shipped OS fails to
- preemptively multitask. Amigas, PCs, Suns, HPs, even Atari's used to
- be shipped with a pre-emptively multitasking OS. But not the Mac.
- Now, what was that crap about "Lowest common denominator?"
-
- Pride? You own a computer because it gives you pride? Funny, I
- use mine as a terminal, CD player, word processor, terminal, and as
- a game machine.
-
- Respectfully Submitted,
-
- Allen Pouratian
- UC Berkeley
-